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that would be nice.

pretty sure the projects auto delete after 30 days so none of them are that old. BUT i think this is a really good idea and i bet joey can knock it out relatively easily (i think) so ill let him know for sure.

Was just thinking the same thing too.

Good idea man. Also, I believe the poster also has the option of deleting the post if they found someone. Who knows if they do it.

in other news its nice to see traffic heading to the Jobs section, i still think there should be a minimum at some point.

dbdesign said: I'm not a fan of the jobs page, the compensation offered by the poster, for all of the projects is far too low for the work that is requested, in my opinion. I was flipping through the other day, I wouldn't even consider doing a band logo for $50, I think there should maybe be some restrictions somehow on compensation. Maybe a bidding process and the poster can base the winning bid on the portfolio of the artist on bandjob. Similar to the site Elance.com . I understand some bands can't afford it...but it's almost an insult, because an artist like myself, who would like to get some extra work and gain new clients..but I wouldn't even bother working on a job for prices that low, as an established designer, and I think I speak for most artists on this site. Just maybe something to think about.

If you see a low paying job, take it. But remind the client that they are getting what they pay for, and you as the artist need to remember that too. If its 50 bucks, put an hour or two into it and call it a day. That is the best way for people to learn, and its efficient.

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i get you WH, but why do you want a mod to go thru them? there are only 14 right now haha. so if they suck just ignore them OR better yet, email them and tell them to eat a dick. i think the fact that there are super stupid low paying jobs in the jobs section less of a problem and more of a benefit, because those stupid jobs aren't in the forum as the same thread where people talk about the same points over and over.

Skull With Hair said: i get you WH, but why do you want a mod to go thru them? there are only 14 right now haha. so if they suck just ignore them OR better yet, email them and tell them to eat a dick. i think the fact that there are super stupid low paying jobs in the jobs section less of a problem and more of a benefit, because those stupid jobs aren't in the forum as the same thread where people talk about the same points over and over.

True, good points. I'd much rather have them in the job section than flooding the forum. I find it hilarious that when you do respond to them saying their prices are atrocious, they get pissed off and try to insult you.

i have been sending emails to low paying jobbeees that go like this: "Hi XXXXXX, hope you are well. i am contacting you today with regards to your job listing at bandjob.com the reason i am contacting you is to offer some advice, the budget you posted for your job is considered extremely low by the artists that frequent bandjob (and elsewhere) i would suggest upping your budget dramatically in order to be taken seriously by the community. i mean no disrespect with this email, one thing we are learning over at bandjob is that potential customers do not understand the monetary value of art and our aim in a wider scope is to bring attention to this matter. take care and good luck XXXXXXX. any questions feel free to shoot." half the responses have been great, the other half have been of the "actually ive already found an artist willing to work for $50" variety.

Craig Robson said: i have been sending emails to low paying jobbeees that go like this: "Hi XXXXXX, hope you are well. i am contacting you today with regards to your job listing at bandjob.com the reason i am contacting you is to offer some advice, the budget you posted for your job is considered extremely low by the artists that frequent bandjob (and elsewhere) i would suggest upping your budget dramatically in order to be taken seriously by the community. i mean no disrespect with this email, one thing we are learning over at bandjob is that potential customers do not understand the monetary value of art and our aim in a wider scope is to bring attention to this matter. take care and good luck XXXXXXX. any questions feel free to shoot." half the responses have been great, the other half have been of the "actually ive already found an artist willing to work for $50" variety.

Nicely done Craig. I wouldn't do a logo for $50 at all. It'll encourage others to do the same, and is just another kink in this already difficult industry. But as said previously, it's nice there is actually some jobs there.

Skull With Hair said: pretty sure the projects auto delete after 30 days so none of them are that old. BUT i think this is a really good idea and i bet joey can knock it out relatively easily (i think) so ill let him know for sure.

Thanks dude. On an unrelated topic - i saw your doppleganger at a bus stop today, but I was driving the other way so couldn't get a photo. I'll keep my eye out for him tho

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most bands wanting to pay 50 for a fuckin design are young, probably in high school, and most likely living with their parents. they could easily pay more by mowing some lawns or selling one of their PS3 games, but they dont. the truth is they don't care enough about what they do (musically) to see the value in it. the ones who do get it are the ones who people take seriously and actually have a shot.

Skull With Hair said: most bands wanting to pay 50 for a fuckin design are young, probably in high school, and most likely living with their parents. they could easily pay more by mowing some lawns or selling one of their PS3 games, but they dont. the truth is they don't care enough about what they do (musically) to see the value in it. the ones who do get it are the ones who people take seriously and actually have a shot.

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Craig Robson said: http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq262/daggersforteeth/Screenshot2011-03-03at151753.png :D

That's an enormous range, but I'm glad to see something real up there.

Craig Robson said: i have been sending emails to low paying jobbeees that go like this: "Hi XXXXXX, hope you are well. i am contacting you today with regards to your job listing at bandjob.com the reason i am contacting you is to offer some advice, the budget you posted for your job is considered extremely low by the artists that frequent bandjob (and elsewhere) i would suggest upping your budget dramatically in order to be taken seriously by the community. i mean no disrespect with this email, one thing we are learning over at bandjob is that potential customers do not understand the monetary value of art and our aim in a wider scope is to bring attention to this matter. take care and good luck XXXXXXX. any questions feel free to shoot." half the responses have been great, the other half have been of the "actually ive already found an artist willing to work for $50" variety.

Just used this on a job listing. Interested in seeing if their response is any more positive and polite than normal.

Anyone seen the SEEKER job post? $50 for a t-shirt design. Come on! I though it was bad enough for a logo. I think the job section needs rules of some sort when people post jobs. Minimums maybe? I dunno.

sorry for the bump, but that day will come post is fucking retarded.

Brock May said: sorry for the bump, but that day will come post is fucking retarded.

Just about all the posts in the jobs section are retarded.

"Lets talk about it.."

persistent bastards posted that 20 dollar job again.

Brock May said: persistent bastards posted that 20 dollar job again.

i emailed them the email i posted above and got this back: "Thanks for your advice, but we have had plenty of interest at the price advertised. Our budgets in the past have been MUCH higher, but weve found that we can get designs of a sufficient standard for this price so we see no reason to up them no more. All about supply and demand." boycot these idiots, if i see them working whatever bullshit day jobs they do i am going to push something over in their shops.

Craig Robson said:

Brock May said: persistent bastards posted that 20 dollar job again.

i emailed them the email i posted above and got this back: "Thanks for your advice, but we have had plenty of interest at the price advertised. Our budgets in the past have been MUCH higher, but weve found that we can get designs of a sufficient standard for this price so we see no reason to up them no more. All about supply and demand." boycot these idiots, if i see them working whatever bullshit day jobs they do i am going to push something over in their shops.

Plus they're just talking shit. They don't have QUALITY designers lined up at $20. They can say they do all they want, but they're fucking liars.

for real, i would love to see their previous designs. i think this is pissing me off twice as much as usual because they are from where i live and i would gladly work with a local band that isnt shit talking so much.

Craig Robson said: for real, i would love to see their previous designs. i think this is pissing me off twice as much as usual because they are from where i live and i would gladly work with a local band that isnt shit talking so much.

haha is this them y'think? http://www.myspace.com/thedaywillcomeuk

Brock May said: persistent bastards posted that 20 dollar job again.

Craig Robson said: for real, i would love to see their previous designs. i think this is pissing me off twice as much as usual because they are from where i live and i would gladly work with a local band that isnt shit talking so much.

Wow. I might undercut you all and do for 99c like a McDonalds Saver Menu

http://www.jasontaylordesign.com/storage/persist.gif Invoice sent. That's $16 profit!

Brock May said: persistent bastards posted that 20 dollar job again.

I love "Persistent Bastards" for a band name btw.

Dammit! I thought it was for a logo design not a Tee design. Now I'm out $4.

Jason Taylor said: Dammit! I thought it was for a logo design not a Tee design. Now I'm out $4.

haaaahahaha

Brock May said:

Jason Taylor said: Dammit! I thought it was for a logo design not a Tee design. Now I'm out $4.

haaaahahaha

which is ironically the same amount each band member wishes to spend!

hmmm....how will i know if the job is still ongoing?

can we make a change to the jobs section so it has a slider scale for the price? im getting tired of the "lets talk about it" "dependant on quality" and "will discuss" i want to see numbers dammit!

anyone had any luck with monster yet haha

Brock May said: anyone had any luck with monster yet haha

Nope, gave it a show though.

MainframeMedia said:

Brock May said: anyone had any luck with monster yet haha

Nope, gave it a shot though.

MainframeMedia said:

Brock May said: anyone had any luck with monster yet haha

Nope, gave it a shot though.

Brock May said: anyone had any luck with monster yet haha

Nope, gave it a shot though.

Craig Robson said: can we make a change to the jobs section so it has a slider scale for the price? im getting tired of the "lets talk about it" "dependant on quality" and "will discuss" i want to see numbers dammit!

Yeah, you have to pass through 8 jobs before you hit a number, and it's 20.

wait... 100 pounds of what?

I noticed a bunch of bands put "Dependent on quality of work" as the compensation in the job postings and that doesn't really tell how much money the band actually has to spend on the design. So what if the "Compensation" was changed to "Budget"? And maybe the question in the "Add a job" form from "How much does this job pay?" to "How much money do you have for this project? or something like that. I don't know, if it'd change the way bands post jobs though...

Its stupid that designers can offer their services through the job section.

Tim said: Its stupid that designers can offer their services through the job section.

they're clever, i'll give them that. but yeah, wrong section. flag and delte those posts. also, perhaps a "date of post"? never sure if there's an expiration, too late, etc

Tim said: Its stupid that designers can offer their services through the job section.

lassivehvilainen said: I noticed a bunch of bands put "Dependent on quality of work" as the compensation in the job postings and that doesn't really tell how much money the band actually has to spend on the design. So what if the "Compensation" was changed to "Budget"? And maybe the question in the "Add a job" form from "How much does this job pay?" to "How much money do you have for this project? or something like that. I don't know, if it'd change the way bands post jobs though...

Good idea. Though, I honestly doubt it would stop people from coming up with some way to avoid giving their budget.

does the jobs section actually work?

Craig Robson said: does the jobs section actually work?

nope it's all garbage and people who want free work. should be removed.

iamdb said:

Craig Robson said: does the jobs section actually work?

nope it's all garbage and people who want free work. should be removed.

mostly all garbage, i've only had one client through the jobs section. however i had to convince them to up their budget. pain in the ass really.

...just saw this in the jobs section..uhm, what? "We want an illustration of us performing on a stage in Hell arranged in one of our signature pyramid formations (as seen here http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=290437840984776&set=a.211806615514566.61314.206547422707152&type=1&theater). The audience should be a sea of demons including super hot demon chicks and of course, satan himself. Somewhere, we want the text "Beelzebub's our biggest fan"

another one..for a logo design: "Compensation Depends on the quality of the work. Completely satisfied would be around $100" Really? I wouldn't even turn on my computer and open photoshop for $100, let alone make a logo for your band.

iamdb said: another one..for a logo design: "Compensation Depends on the quality of the work. Completely satisfied would be around $100" Really? I wouldn't even turn on my computer and open photoshop for $100, let alone make a logo for your band.

yeah thats rich, i dumped that crap. there isn't a ton that would interest the more established guys but there are a few great projects in there right now. that's assuming the people posting them aren't fuckos.