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Shirt Design rates

Started on 09/02/10

Cayetano on Sep 02, 2010

I've been contacted by a major label band and they want shirt designs. I am a little unsure on how I should charge. Should I do a one time use with a fate rate? Should I work in revision costs? What should I charge for a design? I have only worked with smaller independent bands before. I have seen a few of people charging around $350 per design. Does that sound right? Also do I need to do designs before they decide they really want me to have it for the shirt? Perhaps I should get paid either way. Let me know what yall think.
cryface on Sep 02, 2010

First off, get 50% down before you start. Second, $350 is not bad but i know i have gotten much more from larger companies. Have they come to you with a budget?

Edit Your CommentFirst off, get 50% down before you start. Second, $350 is not bad but i know i have gotten much more from larger companies. Have they come to you with a budget?

First off, get 50% down before you start. Second, $350 is not bad but i know i have gotten much more from larger companies. Have they come to you with a budget?
Tim Iconoclast on Sep 02, 2010

I've been wondering about some opinions on this subject as of late to. touching base on your question, i always tell the client "look at my previous work, if you don't like it, please don't hire me" I'm not against going out of my comfort zone, but you shouldn't be expected to do something like Godmachine, cuz that's not your style.

My question:
When a client gives you a vague outline of the concept for the piece, and you create it, and then they come back and say that they don't like it. What do you all do about this? I've done full re-designs in the past, cuz i like to make people happy, but when a client is un-specific and says "do what you do best!" and then turns down the work, what do you guys do? Do you have an up-charge for revisions? do you just do a new piece for them and attempt to sell the turned down one? Im extremely curious how everyone handles these situations...maybe this calls for a new thread.

Edit Your CommentI've been wondering about some opinions on this subject as of late to. touching base on your question, i always tell the client "look at my previous work, if you don't like it, please don't hire me" I'm not against going out of my comfort zone, but you shouldn't be expected to do something like Godmachine, cuz that's not your style. My question: When a client gives you a vague outline of the concept for the piece, and you create it, and then they come back and say that they don't like it. What do you all do about this? I've done full re-designs in the past, cuz i like to make people happy, but when a client is un-specific and says "do what you do best!" and then turns down the work, what do you guys do? Do you have an up-charge for revisions? do you just do a new piece for them and attempt to sell the turned down one? Im extremely curious how everyone handles these situations...maybe this calls for a new thread.

I've been wondering about some opinions on this subject as of late to. touching base on your question, i always tell the client "look at my previous work, if you don't like it, please don't hire me" I'm not against going out of my comfort zone, but you shouldn't be expected to do something like Godmachine, cuz that's not your style. My question: When a client gives you a vague outline of the concept for the piece, and you create it, and then they come back and say that they don't like it. What do you all do about this? I've done full re-designs in the past, cuz i like to make people happy, but when a client is un-specific and says "do what you do best!" and then turns down the work, what do you guys do? Do you have an up-charge for revisions? do you just do a new piece for them and attempt to sell the turned down one? Im extremely curious how everyone handles these situations...maybe this calls for a new thread.
Kevin on Sep 02, 2010

Cayetano, always shoot for what you want. Don't be afraid to quote $350 and ask for 50% down if that's what you want to do. Those are not unreasonable terms.

I've actually found that larger companies are all over the place. Some are great, assume proper conditions, and pay well. Some assume you'll do spec. What rates and terms are acceptable and what aren't seem to depend more on the company's culture and not so much their size. But as a rule, always start negotiations at a bit more than you're willing to do it for. Give yourself some wiggle room.

Tim Iconoclast said: I've been wondering about some opinions on this subject as of late to. touching base on your question, i always tell the client "look at my previous work, if you don't like it, please don't hire me" I'm not against going out of my comfort zone, but you shouldn't be expected to do something like Godmachine, cuz that's not your style.

My question:
When a client gives you a vague outline of the concept for the piece, and you create it, and then they come back and say that they don't like it. What do you all do about this? I've done full re-designs in the past, cuz i like to make people happy, but when a client is un-specific and says "do what you do best!" and then turns down the work, what do you guys do? Do you have an up-charge for revisions? do you just do a new piece for them and attempt to sell the turned down one? Im extremely curious how everyone handles these situations...maybe this calls for a new thread.

We like to hammer out agreements before we begin a project. For apparel designs, this agreement stipulates how many concepts based on the brief will be shown and how many revisions will be allowed before we start charging extra. Getting the client on the same page at the beginning prevents awkward situations in the future.

Edit Your CommentCayetano, always shoot for what you want. Don't be afraid to quote $350 and ask for 50% down if that's what you want to do. Those are not unreasonable terms. I've actually found that larger companies are all over the place. Some are great, assume proper conditions, and pay well. Some assume you'll do spec. What rates and terms are acceptable and what aren't seem to depend more on the company's culture and not so much their size. But as a rule, always start negotiations at a bit more than you're willing to do it for. Give yourself some wiggle room. <blockquote><cite>Tim Iconoclast said:</cite> I've been wondering about some opinions on this subject as of late to. touching base on your question, i always tell the client "look at my previous work, if you don't like it, please don't hire me" I'm not against going out of my comfort zone, but you shouldn't be expected to do something like Godmachine, cuz that's not your style. My question: When a client gives you a vague outline of the concept for the piece, and you create it, and then they come back and say that they don't like it. What do you all do about this? I've done full re-designs in the past, cuz i like to make people happy, but when a client is un-specific and says "do what you do best!" and then turns down the work, what do you guys do? Do you have an up-charge for revisions? do you just do a new piece for them and attempt to sell the turned down one? Im extremely curious how everyone handles these situations...maybe this calls for a new thread.</blockquote> We like to hammer out agreements before we begin a project. For apparel designs, this agreement stipulates how many concepts based on the brief will be shown and how many revisions will be allowed before we start charging extra. Getting the client on the same page at the beginning prevents awkward situations in the future.

Cayetano, always shoot for what you want. Don't be afraid to quote $350 and ask for 50% down if that's what you want to do. Those are not unreasonable terms. I've actually found that larger companies are all over the place. Some are great, assume proper conditions, and pay well. Some assume you'll do spec. What rates and terms are acceptable and what aren't seem to depend more on the company's culture and not so much their size. But as a rule, always start negotiations at a bit more than you're willing to do it for. Give yourself some wiggle room.
Tim Iconoclast said: I've been wondering about some opinions on this subject as of late to. touching base on your question, i always tell the client "look at my previous work, if you don't like it, please don't hire me" I'm not against going out of my comfort zone, but you shouldn't be expected to do something like Godmachine, cuz that's not your style. My question: When a client gives you a vague outline of the concept for the piece, and you create it, and then they come back and say that they don't like it. What do you all do about this? I've done full re-designs in the past, cuz i like to make people happy, but when a client is un-specific and says "do what you do best!" and then turns down the work, what do you guys do? Do you have an up-charge for revisions? do you just do a new piece for them and attempt to sell the turned down one? Im extremely curious how everyone handles these situations...maybe this calls for a new thread.
We like to hammer out agreements before we begin a project. For apparel designs, this agreement stipulates how many concepts based on the brief will be shown and how many revisions will be allowed before we start charging extra. Getting the client on the same page at the beginning prevents awkward situations in the future.
Cayetano on Sep 03, 2010

Thanks folks this is all really good stuff. They came back with a set submission rate and additional approval rate. I guess they already have a set way they do things so I am going to go along because it is a little more than what I was going to originally ask for. Hopefully they like my stuff and like dealing with me and I will get more jobs out of it. We'll see.
Thanks again.

Edit Your CommentThanks folks this is all really good stuff. They came back with a set submission rate and additional approval rate. I guess they already have a set way they do things so I am going to go along because it is a little more than what I was going to originally ask for. Hopefully they like my stuff and like dealing with me and I will get more jobs out of it. We'll see. Thanks again.

Thanks folks this is all really good stuff. They came back with a set submission rate and additional approval rate. I guess they already have a set way they do things so I am going to go along because it is a little more than what I was going to originally ask for. Hopefully they like my stuff and like dealing with me and I will get more jobs out of it. We'll see. Thanks again.

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